If everything is fated, why did Chrysippus say we are still responsible?
Chrysippus answered with a rolling cylinder and a spinning cone; a modern encyclopedia adds a slice of carrot cake, and a doubt about whether the answer works.
▶ Start the storyChrysippus's answer was a cylinder and a cone. The Stoics were determinists about causation: every event is the result of a cause or chain of causes, so that everything that happens is determined by preceding causes. Yet they wanted to preserve moral responsibility, by defending a version of compatibilism.
Critics pressed two worries. The first is the "lazy argument": if all my actions and their consequences are predetermined, there is no point in acting at all. Why call the doctor when ill, if it is determined that the doctor will come? Chrysippus replied that some events are co-fated, part of the same causal chain so that they cannot be separated: the doctor will not come if she is not called, so calling is not pointless. The second worry is that actions caused by earlier events are not in my power, so I am not responsible for them.
Here the cylinder and cone come in. According to Cicero, Chrysippus said a cylinder and a cone cannot begin to move without a push, but once pushed it is through their own nature that the cylinder rolls and the cone spins. Likewise, although the impression encountered will print its appearance on the mind, assent will be in our power. The push is not the whole cause: the nature of the thing pushed matters too. Rational creatures are responsible for their acts of assent, though not for the impressions they receive.
Cylinder
- Needs a push to start
- Then rolls straight, by its own nature
Cone
- Needs a push to start
- Then spins, by its own nature
Does that really escape determinism? The Stanford Encyclopedia itself adds a pointed note: given the push and its own nature, each solid could not do otherwise than it does.
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Recap
For Chrysippus the push starts the motion but the thing's own nature decides how it moves, just as an impression starts a thought but assent is ours.
💡 A trick to remember it · A push starts the roll; the shape decides the way.
Surprising fact · Given the push and its own nature, each solid in Chrysippus's analogy could not do otherwise than it does, a point the Stanford Encyclopedia notes.
Connects to
- 🧩 Did the Stoics invent propositional logic, and why was it forgotten for centuries?
- ⚖️ How could the Stoics claim a person is just as happy on the torture rack?
- 🔥 Why did the Stoics think the universe is a living, rational being that burns up and starts over?
- 🧭 Could you ever have chosen otherwise?
- 🏺 How did a former slave's advice help a prisoner of war endure seven and a half years?
- Compatibilism
Sources (3)
No source, no claim. Every fact in this lesson (15 claims) cites at least one of these.